Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas durin Trump administration when COVID hit.

No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than Neofree themself.

You do remember that COVID hit under
Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused make Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump did f the ecconomy.

False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

The promised "very conservatively" estimated $4,000 boost in household
income from the cutting of the corporate tax rate failed (or perhaps refused) to manifest for workers who earned less than $114k in 2016, while top executive salaries skyrocketed. Not even the 20% pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has helped out workers in those businesses. Like every attempt before it, trickle-down economics have thoroughly and resoundingly failed.

(Source: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-
skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver)

Furthermore, the Trump tax cuts also:

- Removed the ability to deduct a casualty loss, unless it's in a federally-declared disaster area.
- Removed the ability to deduct employment-related moving expenses, unless it's for active-duty military service.
- Taxed survivors' benefits allocated to the children of a dead servicemember as through the children were a trust or estate.

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Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas
durin Trump administration when COVID hit.

No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than Neofree themself.

I posted the prices of gas timeline, Gas did'nt reach 3.00 a gallon until May of Bidens 1st year in office.
Biden imeadiatly did shut down pipelines, fracking, offshore oil and most oil production in the US and started buying oil from other countries.

Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump
did f the ecconomy.

False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

Wrong, Tax cuts have a trickle down effect.
Biden caused his own problems, it had nothing to do with tax cuts.

... Hmmm, fence must still be down over at the funny farm....

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Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is not as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easier to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than you have more disposable income.


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I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a
government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

They are usually representing their own pockets (and the lining of them).

Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is no
as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easie
to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than you have more disposable income.

Indeed.


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